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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
You can be against US and Chinese fascism simultaneously.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
In what way is China fascist? It's a socialist country, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state.
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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Surveillance and political suppression for one. Media, journalism, etc.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used *against capitalists* most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property.
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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
I'm not trying to fuss over what to call something. My intended point stands.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
It doesn't, though. Socialism is not fascism, and all socialist states need to exert authority against capitalists and fascists to continue to exist. Class harmony is a lie.
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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
My point is that the forms of oppression that occur in China aren't exclusive to the capitalist class, and remain something I oppose. Which stands.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
But all of what you listed is used as a means to control the capitalist class, not as an arbitrary measure to oppress people. In your country, those same measures are used by the capitalist class against the working classes. It does not stand because you rely on erasing vital context, that being which class uses it against which.
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@Yliaster@lemmy.world · Mar 10
What are you even saying? Preventing independent journalism is oppressive towards the working class now? Censoring the media is oppressive towards the working class?
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