@graydon @mhoye i 100% agree with @mhoye and i think the only way out are open hardware phones and laptops and everything that get rid of the criminals governing us and forcing their tighter and tigjter capitalist surveillance onto us in ways that most ppl dont even realise how bad it is and it only ever gets worse, never better - so we literally have to build our own alternative for mature and responsible adults who can decide consent based and with each other how they want to live.