@rsalz @darkuncle Okay, so you're not disputing the authenticity of https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220/ regarding NSA paying the RSA company to roll out Dual EC. Now let's look at an IETF part of the Dual EC story. Are you disputing the accuracy of, e.g., https://web.archive.org/web/20251229182801/https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2017/12/19/the-strange-story-of-extended-random/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20260331174508/https://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/08/04/is-extended-random-malicious/ saying NSA paid your colleagues Paul Hoffman and Eric Rescorla to coauthor with NSA a series of IETF drafts on "Extended Random" etc.? The payment is again overt leverage towards the consultants.