@catileptic Politics *is* dirty, AND, if you want to clean the political stables, you have to find *some way* to move the manure. Yes, you *can* be all "radical" and work outside the system but it works *better* if you use _all_ available avenues of progress. Just choosing the "cleanest" one, the one that means you don't have to *engage* with ... anyone... limits progress and subjects one to a single point of failure. I don't have to tell you that's Bad. tl;dr vehement agreement with your viewpoint, and I love the idea of working towards _collective_ knowledge of How Stuff Works with an eye towards finding several ways to do a thing so that one can choose what works best _for oneself_.