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Which treaty are you specifically referring to, here? Ukraine had been a hotbed of far-right Banderite influence before they committed the Maidan massacre and couped the state in 2014, and that wasn’t because of Russian influence.

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I’m specifically referring to the Budapest Memorandum of December the 5th 1994 where it was established that Russia would have kept the Ukrainian state indipendent and would not have tried to annex it again in the future against the returning of its atomic warheads. I see no russian warheads in Ukraine today but I have seen the little green men taking over Crimea before if 2014. Who broke the treaty then???

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The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn’t guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first: “Although the Memorandum is not legally binding, we take these political commitments seriously and do not believe any U.S. sanctions, whether imposed because of human rights or non-proliferation concerns, are inconsistent with our commitments to Belarus under the Memorandum or undermine them. Rather, sanctions are aimed at securing the human rights of Belarusians and combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and other illicit activities, not at gaining any advantage for the United States”. This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up “its” nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union. The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.

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The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime. Moreover, it was the USA who “broke the treaty” (I’d love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn’t Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead? Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it’s astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand

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Ukraine’s government isn’t innocent, they have been ethnically cleansing ethnic Russians post-Euromaidan coup. Ukraine is not all Nazi, the Nazis in Ukraine are largely in the government of Ukraine and in fascist groups now folded into the government and millitary officially. I’m not wrong here at all, you still haven’t explained how Nazis committing ethnic cleansing is okay.

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@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

And you still haven’t provided neutral evidences of what you call “ethnic cleansing” while I’ve provided you a report showing a steady decrease in violent deaths between 2014 and 2022 produced by the UN while Russia was still sitting in the board and confirmed the numbers cited. Also, how is Ukraine still capable of fighting against Russia if the majority of its people are not nazi and should be against their government according to you? Wouldn’t they be fighting alongside the russian should they want to be freed from their “tyrannical” government? And yet they are still fighting almost 4 years into this war. Unbelievable how much they love tyranny in that country

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

I gave western sources that are biased against Russia and pro-Kiev still admitting to the ethnic cleansing campaign. Secondly, war in Ukraine is unpopular! They have to rely on forced conscription to keep the war going. There’s a decent amount of nationalists in Ukraine that support the Banderites just like there are a decent number of MAGA supporters outside of the government in the US Empire, but by and large the war is unpopular. That’s also why Kiev is finally trying to concede and reach a peace deal. You’ve got this thought terminating ideology where if something disagrees with your far-right narrative, you immediately disagree with it, even if the sources are from outlets that share your world view.

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@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts. The war is so unpopular that russian hasn’t been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!! Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml · Dec 17

Sources like the BBC, New York Times, The Guardian, The Hill, Jacobin, Reuters, The Natiob, and Al Jazeera are “paid by the Kremlin?” I know fascists like you thrive on irrationality, but there’s a limit to denying reality. BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties? History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV Ukraine ethnically cleansing the Donbass region, which popularly supports Russia, is what started the war. The Euromaidan coup is what kicked off the war in 2014, Russia entered in 2022 after the Minsk agreements failed. Had NATO not couped Ukraine, the war would have never happened.

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