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@t0maz @ItsePerkele @kallekn @skersis I think not that many companies, which aren't listed ones, don't specify publicly who are the actual owners. Usually I think this information is released by press etc. as they have to give that information. I don't know what is the reasoning behind this, but I have noticed this pattern when looking about other companies also. Could it be that not all of investors want to presented publicly in the website etc? But definitely would be good to be transparent

@t0maz @ItsePerkele @kallekn @skersis 2023 the old company was filed to bankruptcy. After that the management created new company, which bought the immaterial rights. At least in the Finnish press it was stated that the new company was as a whole under Finnish ownership. If I remember right, in later date given statement they said company is under mostly Finnish ownership and as a whole under European ownership (hinting some European investor). I might miss remember, so make own research also

@t0maz @kallekn @skersis IIRC, as they are Oy, that means the ownership information should be presented when asked. But that would require some journalist etc. to actually going to their head quarter and ask for that. Didn't have time now to search all the press releases, but I remember it has been talked about somewhere.

@khm @jolla In the news it was put that "four COMMERCIAL mobile operating systems in the world". And to be fair I think that is true. OS needs to be commercial if it wants to become option for wide masses and not only for niche very tech oriented people, IMO.

@t0maz @kallekn @skersis Jolla has publicly said that there are no connections to Ruzzia what-so-ever. Jolla started leaving Ruz in 2021 and 2023 they filed for bankruptcy as Ruz owner (at peak ~20% ownership) didn't want to sell. As the company was mostly in Finnish ownership at that point, Finnish court ordered to sell the immaterial rights to another company. Management of Jolla with Finnish investors bought the immaterial rights to new company and the Ruz saga ended finally.

@skersis @ItsePerkele So I can assure you, Jolla is not Ruzzian, whole operating system is and was developed in Finland (well part of it in US probably, as Intel was partner with Nokia for Meego). The operating system were NOT developed in Ruzzia or in co-operation with Ruzzia. Reason Jolla ever went to Ruzzia was that there were no interest of independent OS inside Europe which led to financial constrains. Luckily times have changed

@skersis @ItsePerkele Doesn't really raise concerns, I don't see any reason not to use the OS in critical places. Most parts outside of UI components are open source, anyone can check themselves. What Jolla did in Ruzzia was to make a fork of their operating system and customisation to that for Ruzzian government needs. Even if state linked investor owner ~20% at their peak, it doesn't put Jolla in risk. Dev tasks of actual OS stayed whole time in Finland. Jolla started to leavy Rus in 2021

@RWvanLeeuwen @jolla Check the forum, they updated regularly there. Short answer, depends a lot in which batch you are in. Doesn't help that there are ton of people DDoS their email. Patience is needed here

@mfom @jolla I tried to look option from the website, but unfortunately only Finnish. Best bet is to use some translator like DeepL and copy-paste the text

@Toteemisieni Sinänsä samaa mieltä että olisi tästä voinut pikkaisen julkisemmin keskustella. Aiheena kuitenkin sellainen että puoli pakko mennä ruotsin peräss. Jos ei mennä nyt samalla, on lain muutos paljon hankalampi asia. Tämähän ei kuitenkaan tarkoita että suomeen koskaan ydinaseita tuotaisiin, eikä niitä mitään järkeä tänne olisikaan tuoda