Kevin Keijzer
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy
I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept".
- Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software.
- No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere.
- Self-hosting everything.
- Mobile phone-free.
I only talk about technical / work-related subjects.
I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl So, how much more years you reckon this gadgets can still fly? It's already like 13 years is it not? Discontinued more than 10 years ago? What are you going to do when the
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online Oh for many more years. Even on my Lenovo X230 I can do almost all of my work without any issues. And yes, nearly all of the parts can still be bought new. There's lots of fac
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl Ok, so China is not a problem for your company for these parts. Can you give examples for kinds of work you do in your company with this equipment in your company? You wou
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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Kevin Keijzer
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online Everything is manufactured in China, so what can you do? We no longer have the knowledge or capacity to do so here in Europe sadly.
And what we do; well, we develop, host, support and maintain Free and open source software in the broadest sense of the word. So mainly SSH, vim and git.
Interlunium focuses specifically on people and companies who want systems and infrastructure to be as FOSS as possible, so helping others acquire a similar setup as our own is basically our core business.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl Ivy Bridge era laptops do run Intel processors, do you do something to these processors physically to make them void of any proprietary or closed areas legally? What about
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online They're the last generation without Boot Guard, where coreboot has native raminit code, and where the ME firmware can be almost completely overwritten with 0xff. With all newe
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl So, how much more years you reckon this gadgets can still fly? It's already like 13 years is it not? Discontinued more than 10 years ago? What are you going to do when the
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl
CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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Kevin Keijzer
@kevin@social.interlunium.nl
CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online Oh for many more years. Even on my Lenovo X230 I can do almost all of my work without any issues.
And yes, nearly all of the parts can still be bought new. There's lots of factories in China selling them.
If this really becomes unworkable in the future, I hope by then there will be RISC-V implementations that are similarly open / low on blobs.
Of course there already are ARM SoCs now that come close, like the Rockchip SoCs PINE64 uses. But they're not faster than Intel Ivy Bridge.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl This is getting even more interesting. What kind of devices do you actually use in your company with your associates then as you can't accept regular devices legal terms?
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online We use Ivy Bridge era laptops and desktops running coreboot with the GRUB payload as the boot firmware, with the Intel ME stripped down to the BUP partition. On top of that we
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl Additionally - you have chosen Debian (which is not endorsed by Free Software Foundation that you appear to follow strictly) - it includes non-free software repositories a
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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Kevin Keijzer
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online I don't necessarily care about the FSF endorsing things or not. Debian's contrib and non-free repositories are optional, and they are not considered to be an official part of Debian.
The addition of non-free-firmware to installation media has been a relatively recent decision (those packages were always part of non-free before), and even then the repository still has to be manually enabled. We don't enable it on our systems because we don't need any of those packages on our hardware.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl This is getting even more interesting. What kind of devices do you actually use in your company with your associates then as you can't accept regular devices legal terms?
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online We use Ivy Bridge era laptops and desktops running coreboot with the GRUB payload as the boot firmware, with the Intel ME stripped down to the BUP partition. On top of that we
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl Ivy Bridge era laptops do run Intel processors, do you do something to these processors physically to make them void of any proprietary or closed areas legally? What about
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl
CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online They're the last generation without Boot Guard, where coreboot has native raminit code, and where the ME firmware can be almost completely overwritten with 0xff. With all newer x86_64 hardware at least one of those points is no longer the case.
I'd have to say that compared to ARM SoCs that are comparatively free/open, even the much more recent ones, Ivy Bridge is still *much* faster.
A desktop with an i7-3770, for instance, can be used for almost anything, even today.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl Apart from guessing, you *could* try these things out in your company? It's an interesting changing area currently. What about that usability in means of daily driving? Wh
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online I'd have to agree to legal terms and conditions I both personally don't accept and that go against my company's policies in order to try these things out, so that's what makes
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl This is getting even more interesting. What kind of devices do you actually use in your company with your associates then as you can't accept regular devices legal terms?
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl
CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online We use Ivy Bridge era laptops and desktops running coreboot with the GRUB payload as the boot firmware, with the Intel ME stripped down to the BUP partition.
On top of that we run Debian with only the main repository (also not non-free-firmware).
For our routers it's all OpenWrt, primarily on Turris Omnia routers and old ath79 access points (so no firmware blobs there).
We don't use physical phones at all; only SIP with softphones. And I'm not sure why we'd need TVs at the office.
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl What are these "some AOSP-derived OS's" you refer to? And what is their functionality compared to SailfishOS in daily drive for regular people as alternative? What do you
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online Most people around me don't use mobile phones either, and definitely not smartphones, but I'm guessing LineageOS, GrapheneOS, /e/OS, etc. are examples of AOSP-derived OSes tha
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl Apart from guessing, you *could* try these things out in your company? It's an interesting changing area currently. What about that usability in means of daily driving? Wh
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online I'd have to agree to legal terms and conditions I both personally don't accept and that go against my company's policies in order to try these things out, so that's what makes it rather complicated.
The situation with Sailfish OS is currently not that different from a random Android device or iPhone: I don't agree with the legal terms and conditions, so I can't use it.
As long as Sailfish OS comes with a EULA with license restrictions (point 3) it's not Free Software or Open Source.
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online Most people around me don't use mobile phones either, and definitely not smartphones, but I'm guessing LineageOS, GrapheneOS, /e/OS, etc. are examples of AOSP-derived OSes that are not proprietary by itself.
Of course all of the bootloaders, firmware, device drivers, etc. of the phones it runs on are proprietary, but I doubt that's any different with the (Sony?) devices Sailfish OS runs on. And in addition to that, the GUI is also proprietary, which is not the case with AOSP.
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Here's the recent one from Jolla on their open source stance and commitment: https://techhub.social/@jolla/115485823755920033
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online "Not 100% proprietary" is still not FOSS. Sorry. I don't think anyone is claiming it's "completely closed source" either. But at the time of writing it simply has an unaccepta
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@kevin@social.interlunium.nl What mostly remains to be completely opened in the big picture is the Silica UI (so the graphical user interface). Jolla has stated that they could open source it when the
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online The graphical UI that handles all the user input and display output being proprietary is a big deal.
Being a small player is no reason to defend keeping your code proprietary. None of the true mobile Linux OSes do that either. There is never an excuse to keep your code proprietary and there's no such thing as open sourcing "too early". It should be FOSS from the first commit.
At the end of the day Sailfish OS is more closed and proprietary than AOSP is. That's sad, but it's true.
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Jolla Phone matters more than ever. Every Android phone, every iPhone; your data, habits, convos: processed, analyzed, stored on someone else's terms. Jolla spent 12 years in wilderness keeping Sailfi
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What's also important: all earlier co-op and funding from AuroraOS many years back (of Russia) has been cut off by Jolla. Sailfish OS is NOT 100% closed source, as some still claim it to be. Jolla has
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Here's the recent one from Jolla on their open source stance and commitment: https://techhub.social/@jolla/115485823755920033
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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CEO of Interlunium | Free and Open Source Software Consultancy I do things with coreboot, Debian and OpenWrt, and I rarely click "Accept". - Exclusively using GNU/Linux and free / open source software. - No proprietary BIOS/UEFI anywhere. - Self-hosting everything. - Mobile phone-free. I only talk about technical / work-related subjects. I'm not really interested in politics other than those related to free / open source software, privacy, individual freedoms and technological sovereignty.
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@Linux@linuxrocks.online "Not 100% proprietary" is still not FOSS. Sorry.
I don't think anyone is claiming it's "completely closed source" either. But at the time of writing it simply has an unacceptable end user license for many people, including me.
Regarding promises: talk is cheap, show us the code. Once there are no proprietary bits left and there is no more EULA to accept, I'll most probably change my stance on Sailfish OS.
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