Post by @Yliaster

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Surveillance and political suppression for one. Media, journalism, etc.

@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used *against capitalists* most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property.

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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

I'm not trying to fuss over what to call something. My intended point stands.

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

It doesn't, though. Socialism is not fascism, and all socialist states need to exert authority against capitalists and fascists to continue to exist. Class harmony is a lie.

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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

My point is that the forms of oppression that occur in China aren't exclusive to the capitalist class, and remain something I oppose. Which stands.

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

But all of what you listed is used as a means to control the capitalist class, not as an arbitrary measure to oppress people. In your country, those same measures are used by the capitalist class against the working classes. It does not stand because you rely on erasing vital context, that being which class uses it against which.

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@Yliaster@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

What are you even saying? Preventing independent journalism is oppressive towards the working class now? Censoring the media is oppressive towards the working class?

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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent

Letting private press say whatever they want in a country where capitalists would love to take over the state would be suicide. Capitalists have a muzzle placed on them. Legitimate criticism from the working classes is not censored, while misinformation and pro-capitalist speech is.

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@Yliaster@lemmy.world · Mar 10

Yes, that’s the communist/Chinese defense, except it also translates to an easy excuse for other, illegitimate reasons for censorship. Don’t like a certain guy? Censored! You say legitimate criticism isn’t censored, why should I believe that? If they can use censorship to oppress queer people they could do it oppress others.

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