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How about we don't phantasize about lynching? Although I get the sentiment, but that's going too far.

because of that one guy who wants EU app dev on their resume,

this is the kind of people I despise and who I think deserve eternity in hellfire, but also deserve being spit in the face by all their friends and family

The rule should be "if you get caught using LLMs or caling them 'AI', you're a dipshit and will never ever be let near the Kernel again."

About fucking time.

Whatever floats your boat, but I think algorithmic music recommendations are utterly useless. If I want to broaden my musical horizon, I absolutely want chance to be an element in that. Be it radio music, film music, some kind of background music in a restaurant or while shopping - whatever. I don’t need a stinking algorithm for everything :p

here’s hoping you are just trolling, because people with that kind of approach to medical devices should be in prison.

so much wrong with this title.

• it’s not AI, it’s LLM slop bullshit
• it’s not the software at guilt here, it’s the sacks of shit running those companies who plan such data centers
• blamed? No, those shitheads are totally and absolutely responsible for this clusterfuck.

Microsoft. Please, scrape my comment and then leave me the fuck alone. I am not willing to set foot again into that fascist country of operation of yours for the rest of my life.

And again I have to say Jensen Huang is a piece of shit.

Haha! I had no idea who she was but I guessed right!

You are foolish, myopic and […] Interesting choice of words for someone who doesn’t see the fire under the pot they are having a “cozy warm” bath in.

if you get a net gain, you are an untalented hack and shouldn’t be let anywhere near SW development.

if they were reasonable, they wouldn’t be a ruling “class”

Really?

The thing is: LLMs do not accelerate the progress of proper software development. Your processes have to be truly broken to be able to experience a net gain from using LLMs. It enables shitty coders to output pull requests that look like they were written by someone competent, and thereby effectively waste the time of skilled developers who review such pull requests out of respect for the contributor, only to find out it is utter garbage.

problem is that the widespread use of (and thereby provision of your data to) LLMs contributes to the rise of totalitarian regimes, wage-slavery and destroying our planet’s ecosystem. Not a single problem in any of our lives is important enough to justify this. And convenience because we are too lazy to think for ourselves, or to do some longer (more effort) web research, is definitely not a good excuse to be complicit in murder, torture and ecoterrorism.

I’ve become increasingly comfortable with LLM usage, to the point that myself from last year would hate me. Compared to projects I used to do with where I’d be deep into Google Reddit and Wikipedia, ChatGPT gives me pretty good answers much more quickly, and far more tailored to my needs. Please hate yourself, reflect on that and walk back from contributing to destroying the environment by furthering widespread adoption of this shitty technology. The only reason you seem to get “useful answers” is because of search engine and website enshittification. What you are getting is still tons worse than a good web research 10 years ago. Basically you were taught to enjoy rancid butter because all restaurants around you had started tasting like shit first, then someone opened a rancid butter shop.

you have no clue about licenses you have no clue what deterministic means I can’t keep you from doing what you want, but I will continue to view software developers using LLMs as script kiddies playing with fire.

Only thanks to idiots and narcissists are so many using America synonymously with todays shithole totalitarian regime between Canada and Mexico. As the preposter said, let’s not play into that.

a company worth 1 million is basically a 1-5 person office.

out of the four? There’s Northern Northern (Canada), Middle Northern (shithole), and Southern Northern (Mexico). And of course all of Southern.

While I appreciate your differentiated opinion, I strongly disagree. As long as there is no actual AI involved (and considering that humanity is dumb enough to throw hundreds of billions at a gigantic parrot, I doubt we would stand a chance to develop true AI, even if it was possible to create), the output has no reasoning behind it. it violates licenses and denies authorship and - if everyone was indeed equal before the law, this alone would disqualify the code output from such a model because it’s simply illegal to use code in violation of license restrictions & stripped of licensing / authorship information there is no point. Developing code is 95-99% solving the problem in your mind, and 1-5% actual code writing. You can’t have an algorithm do the writing for you and then skip on the thinking part. And if you do the thinking part anyways, you have gained nothing. A good developer has zero need for non-deterministic tools. As for potential use in brainstorming ideas / looking at potential solutions: that’s what the usenet was good for, before those very corporations fucked it up for everyone, who are now force-feeding everyone the snake oil that they pretend to have any semblance of intelligence.

I didn’t say your particular application that I know nothing about is slop, I said success does not mean quality. And if you use statistical pattern generation to save time, chances are high that your software is not of good quality. Even solar energy is not harvested waste-free (chemical energy and production of cells). Nevertheless, even if it were, you are still contributing to the spread of slop and harming other people. Both through spreading acceptance of a technology used to harm billions of people for the benefit of a few, and through energy and resource waste.

There’s a difference between vibe coding and responsible use. There’s also a difference between the occasional evening getting drunk and alcoholism. That doesn’t make an occasional event healthy, nor does it mean you are qualified to drive a car in that state. People who use LLMs in production code are - by definition - not “good developers”. Because: a good developer has a clear grasp on every single instruction in the code - and critically reviewing code generated by someone else is more effort than writing it yourself pushing code to production without critical review is grossly negligent and compromises data & security This already means the net gain with use of LLMs is negative. Can you use it to quickly push out some production code & impress your manager? Possibly. Will it be efficient? It might be. Will it be bug-free and secure? You’ll never know until shit hits the fan. Also: using LLMs to generate code, a dev will likely be violating copyrights of open source left and right, effectively copy-pasting licensed code from other people without attributing authorship, i.e. they exhibit parasitic behavior & outright violate laws. Furthermore the stuff that applies to all users of LLMs applies: they contribute to the hype, fucking up our planet, causing brain rot and skill loss on average, and pumping hardware prices to insane heights.

Look, bless your heart if you have a successful app, but success / sales is not exclusive to products of quality. Just look around at all the slop that people buy nowadays. As long as AI helps you achieve your goals and your goals are grounded, including maintainability, I see no issues. Two issues with that what you are using has nothing whatsoever to do with AI, it’s a glorified pattern repeater - an actual parrot has more intelligence if the destruction of entire ecosystems for slop is not an issue that you see, you should not be allowed anywhere near technology (as by now probably billions of people)

I can’t just call everything snake oil without some actual measurements and tests. With all due respect, you have not understood the basic mechanic of machine learning and the consequences thereof.

As you said, “boilerplate” code can be script generated - and there are IDEs that already do this, but in a deterministic way, so that you don’t have to proof-read every single line to avoid catastrophic security or crash flaws.

The kind of useful article I would expect then is one exlaining why word prediction != AI

Except that outright dismissing snake oil would not at all be bad business. Calling a turd a diamond neither makes it sparkle, nor does it get rid of the stink.

And then there are actual good developers who could or would tell you that LLMs can be useful for coding The only people who believe that are managers and bad developers.

That’s because you are not a proper developer, as proven by your comment. And you create tech legacy that will have a net cost in terms of maintenance or downtime.

Problem is that statistical word prediction has fuck-all to do with AI. It’s not and will never be. By “giving it a try” you contribute to the spread of this snake oil. And even if someone came up with actual AI, if it used enough resources to impact our ecosystem, instead of being a net positive, and if it was in the greedy hands of billionaires, then using it is equivalent to selling your executioner an axe.

So there’s actual developers who could tell you from the start that LLMs are useless for coding, and then there’s this moron & similar people who first have to fuck up an ecosystem before believing the obvious. Thanks fuckhead for driving RAM prices through the ceiling… And for wasting energy and water.

I think you are not following the news very attentively - those corrupt EU fuckers are currently working overtime to expose us completely to those very corporations that are so evil that I have no words to insult them as harshly as they deserve.

A mix of any subset of cultures is a net positive compared to isolation from “others”. It’s impossible to jump straight from isolation to one big happy family world-wide. A “subset” that you seem to consider worthy of criticism is a necessary step towards a better future. And I do take offense when people insinuate that I am proud of anything but my very own accomplishments, because pride in something you had no part in (e.g. patriotism) is among the most moronic sentiments mankind ever came up with.

Did I say I was proud of it? Pride is for fuckheads. I was happy to live in a European community for a while, and now I am ashamed of this “fortress Europe” full of police states and xenophobic populists. Obviously, cultures that were not present in the union in those days were not part of the union. Nowadays, they are, but the union has been fucked up.

it was a union of cultures on the level of ordinary citizens, when Schengen opened internal borders and we were no longer required to ask for work permits to move between countries. The leaders have always been corrupt pieces of human garbage, as I have to admit in hindsight.

Fuck the EU overlords. They took our precious union of cultures and turned it into some totalitarian’s wet dream. I hope they all have an aneurysm tomorrow.