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@scien@social.linux.pizza
Linux enthusiast. Pragmatism over idealism. Don't mind being rude to me; I'd rather you be brutally honest than not.
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@kyle_pegasus@scalie.club @soc@chaos.social @zzt@mas.to @rootwyrm@weird.autos The topic of "gnomification" as one might put it, is also interesting to hear irt this, since one of the major consumers and developers of Smithay is Cosmic DE... which is explicitly being developed as a more featureful alternative to gnome. They even got in a relatively public spat where gnome devs basically said they dont think Cosmic devs could pull of making an accessible desktop.
Not to mention Cinnamon, a fork of Gnome before they made everything disturbingly touch-centric irt UI, is also moving to Wayland.
The Gnome alternatives seen quite at home at the alleged Gnome-Homogenization-Ray we're considering Wayland to be for the purposes of our conversation here...
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Linux enthusiast. Pragmatism over idealism. Don't mind being rude to me; I'd rather you be brutally honest than not.
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@kyle_pegasus@scalie.club @soc@chaos.social @zzt@mas.to @rootwyrm@weird.autos
Oh, well no I can imagine that'd be difficult, with X11 being the default assumption for so long, you wouldnt have built up robust abstractions to decouple your code. I work on a large legacy codebase for my dayjob atm. Of course I understand the manpower. You have to do shit slowly piece by piece, and that takes months even with several full-time devs.
I thought you meant *from scratch*. I even basically outright asked that? You almost sounded like making a wayland compositor was a fools' errand compared to a X11 DE. I was wondering if there was s(mething I missedx
As for screen capture protocols, we do have those finally: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Wayland-Merges-Screen-Capture
Using Niri, I've never had screen cast issues. And I think the latest they had to put more effort into was to do with pipewire streams (yes pipewire is now used for video too; i had no idea) so that webrtc support with browsers could work better.
Yes this is non-trivial stuff, but a lot of *is* implemented in smithay, for instance (example: https://smithay.github.io/smithay/smithay/wayland/image_capture_source/index.html)
And wlroots is actually the one that pioneered the early version of these protocols. Any compositor based on either would have to reimplement everything.
Global hotkeys are really one of the last things I find really annoying. They work fine on Plasma, though, from what I recall.
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Linux enthusiast. Pragmatism over idealism. Don't mind being rude to me; I'd rather you be brutally honest than not.
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@kyle_pegasus@scalie.club @soc@chaos.social @zzt@mas.to @rootwyrm@weird.autos What does wayland do to kill small DEs? I follow a dev who on their lonesome develops one: Niri. Are we talking about existing small projects, or is there some nuance of wayland that causes development issues I dont understand?
Afaik there are two high quality bases for wayland compositors: wlroots and smithay. Niri uses smithay.
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Linux enthusiast. Pragmatism over idealism. Don't mind being rude to me; I'd rather you be brutally honest than not.
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@jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online @UndeadMinotaur@infosec.exchange Masking is important and I suggest it of everybody, especially here in America where our health system is also now ran by a complete and utter moron who throws his kids in sewer-infested water and claims Tylenol causes autism.
It was important way before that, and never stopped being important, and I am livid at the Biden admin for sweeping the sustained harms under the rug just to appease the terrible economic system we're under.
But if people were not masking then, they should definitely be masking now. There's no reality where you should trust our national health system to be reliable, atp.
However, how you persuade people isn't going to be replyguy moral puritanical shit in their replies that's fucking batshit insane.
Frankly I think the only true solution, given how hard it is to motivate people to mask, even when their friends were recently sick and I can show them stats about increased virus content in the wastewater, is from the societal level. We need contact tracing. We need better indoor ventilation. So on.
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@UndeadMinotaur@infosec.exchangeI @jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online I mask in public. GTFO of here with this bullshit. Seriously, who do you think you are? Your moral compass is a twig.
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@richpuchalsky@mastodon.social @PhoenixSerenity@beige.party In part the problem is that internet infrastructure has been invested in and managed in a centralized way for so long that it takes significant investment of resources and time to develop any reasonable alternative that is trustless and decentralized.
That, and for many more specific tasks the issue is just plainly more difficult to do in a decentralized!d manner. You end up needing to create and use CRDTs, a data archetype that is not at all a solved problem and still heavily worked on. Yet little adopted, since the incentive structure behind the economics prioritizes centralized infrastructure so that it can be held hostage for a price.
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@richpuchalsky@mastodon.social @PhoenixSerenity@beige.party And I would certainly agree with that critique. There are also a number of ways that this capacity can be significantly reduced on the infrastructure side.
If identities and account content were managed in a decentralized manner, on-device, the ability of instance owners would be significant reduced. If you take this far enough, they'd have almost no power. See: DeltaChat, which is a good example of a communication platform that offers very little power to the instance/relay holders.
The problem I have, then, is that your understanding of hosting a mastodon instance as "inherently suspicious" is so out of sorts with the observable incentive structures at play, as I see them, as to actually weaken your critique.
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Linux enthusiast. Pragmatism over idealism. Don't mind being rude to me; I'd rather you be brutally honest than not.
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@richpuchalsky@mastodon.social On the note of group policies; those are certainly most ideal, but many people often find themselves with not many other people they know with the same passion and drive to start such a project. Frequently none.
I myself host a nextcloud for several groups as its lone administrator. And not out of choice. I've been looking for someone to share the load (and also balance against my power, I dont like having unilateral control over so much.). The people I serve are not technically literate, and so dont know how to vet people for this or even why I find it so important. It's frustrating.
The problem is: coordination, collaboration? It's hard. And it's especially hard in a society that conditions people to be infantilized by tech. But it is so very very important.
However if you mix the strain of hosting the project on top of it... it becomes even more unreasonable to expect a robust group with guidelines and policies AND the solution instead of just some random person doing it in their free time as basically a hobby.
It's such a pervasive problem, the lack of material incentive but surplus of unreasonable drive, related to the software and tech community as a whole that it's a frequent joke: https://xkcd.com/2347/
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@verdre@mastodon.social I actually keep running into OOM problems on linux so it's nice for you to point this out. It's handled *utterly* terribly. I've been trying to leverage EarlyOOM and Zram swap and it'shelped a lot, but the default exp is just utterly unacceptable
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@cwebber@social.coop this is why deltachat is based
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@chfkch@ruhr.social Oh? could you elaborate? I'm curious
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@cbarbermd@med-mastodon.com dude; this is ai slop
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